Interview with New Zealanders – Nov. 2009
Here is an excerpt of an interview given in late November to overseas devotees from NZ.
Baba: What's new? Ask questions
Devotee (D): Baba, we come from such long distance, travelling thousands of miles to see you. Please bless us.
Baba: No, not thousands of miles; you have not even travelled an inch! Have you made the journey inside your heart? You have not even started yet, how can you say you've travelled so many miles....only a physical journey.
What about your spiritual journey, still starting troubles? First, go inside to see Baba in your heart and then come here.
D: But I'm trying hard to make that journey, still too many starting troubles, Swami.
Baba: Yes, Yes, I'm aware of all your plans and weaknesses. Your first enemy is Anger! Get rid of it and the journey to God will begin right away. Begin with a lot less luggage and it will be a smooth journey. Until you get rid of anger and jealousy, you'll not succeed. These are the invisible devils that dance within you and torture you. Too much anger...Baba has nothing to do with you, right?
D: How do we get close to you, Baba?
Baba: Distance is only in your imagination! You are always close to me when you realise that I'm in your heart. But until that happens, I remain here and you remain there, thousands of miles apart. No connection is made. Practice what I want you to do and then I'm yours automatically.
Eliminate your anger and jealousy; sublimate your ego and purify your heart...I'm there. Have you ever thought of practicing at least one idea, one teaching from Me? Do it, Do it, Do it! Then surely success will come and grace will flow.
D: Swami, how do we get your Grace?
Baba: Grace is always there like the ever-shining sun. When you open the windows of your house to the Sun, light floods in removing all darkness.The amount of light depend on how much wide you open the window. In the same way, My Grace will depend on how broad your heart is, how expansive your love is. You have too much anger in you! Remove all the evil qualities, then all will be divine.
D: How do we work for Sai's mission as true servants of the Lord?
Baba: For this Baba has given you the Sai organisation. Make use of it to your best capacity by doing service, by devotion and by being loving to all. Sometimes you're very impatient with the organisation. I know, I know,
I watch everything.. .Baba makes rules and regulations for a specific purpose. Without rules, without discipline, soon it becomes a zoo!
Discipline is the watchword in any spiritual path.
Sai Organisation is not like Rotary or Lions Club!! It is not a family club; it is a purely spiritual and service organisation.
The very name SAI stands for (S=Spiritual Transformation, A= Association (Social) Change and I=Individual Transformation) ...all these have to be achieved through the organisation. But if you're not interested in transformation, better to stay home and not waste your time.... time is precious, life is speeding fast, make best use of every minute. Make every minute the best minute for you and all around you. Have as few connections as possible. Have few attachments as possible. There is only God...wife, husband, daughter, son, this, that....all are mere passing clouds. Fix your attention on God only. Focus on God, do selfless service and be happy.
D: What about the Golden Age, Swami?
Baba: Yes, what about Golden Age? When is it coming? No, it comes only when your behaviour is Golden, your attitude is Golden, when your heart is Golden! Lead exemplary lives. As members of the Sai organisation, I want you to have good behaviour, good conduct. Remove anger, remove jealousy, remove falsehood and enmity, stay far away from the wicked and the manipulative. ..and then the Golden age will begin. Lust, anger, hate, jealousy, and selfishness - these are the strands that weave a cobweb around you, clear these and you are free – Blemish-less.
D: Is bhajan a good antidote to all evil qualities?
Baba: Yes, only if it's done with love...love for God and love for all round you. No use singing like a nightingale, when you are acting like a crow!!
Don't make show like cinema stars. It will be waste of time for everyone!
First bring love inside you, and then the love that comes out through your voice will touch God. Pay strict attention to Bhava, Raga, Tala (Feeling, Melody, and Rhythm) that will touch God and transform all who listen. Keep it vibrant and don't let it drown in sorrow and pity...God doesn't want your pity, God wants your joy. Now talk is over, too much talking is not good.
D: Before we leave one last question?
Baba: Yes, you may ask anything.
D: What should be our daily medication for a divine life?
Baba: Medication or meditation? You need both. Be good, do good, see good...don't fight, stick to the discipline of Sadhana (spiritual practice), sing the Name of God always; love all, serve all...accept everything that happens to you as the will of God done for your own good...then no worry, no pain. But first, always act with dignity... that you are God, not animal, not animal.
D: Swami, what's the first step in Sadhana (spiritual practice)?
Baba: Silence, silence of all the senses...now go and practice Swami's words and don't waste time in gossip. I bless, I bless all.
PS: The real goal of a person's existence should be giving up of desire. Giving up of desire involves giving up of lust, anger, greed, hatred, etc. Presence of desire implies the presence of these harmful tendencies; these other feelings and emotions are its natural attendant reactions. These together are veritably the gateways to hell. Envy is the bolt and pride is the key for the doorway to hell. Unlock and lift the bolt - you can certainly enter in! Hence the fundamental renunciation should be that of desire!
A true follower of Sanathana Dharma (Eternal Truth), will be truthful in speech, avoid jealousy and anger, and always acts with a loving heart. All those who practice the above without faltering, are entitled to be called as "Bharathiyas (Loving devotees of God)". SATHYA SAI
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